Early career success, equitable opportunities, and finding confidence with Anthony Wilson

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On today’s episode, we talk with Anthony Wilson, Graduate Student at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, about early career success, equitable opportunities, and finding confidence.   Read his full bio below.

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Showtimes:
1:21  Nic & Laura's talk about Writing Resumes
9:35  Interview with Anthony Wilson Starts
12:06  Early Career Success
16:22  Equitable Opportunities
28:16  Finding Confidence

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Guest Bio:

Anthony is currently pursuing his PhD degree at Scripps Institute of Oceanography where he hopes to attain a doctorate degree in Physical Oceanography with a focus in climate science. He is actively doing research at NOAA through the Pathways program to further his interest and desire to study marine heatwaves and connecting them to how they impact the Arctic and the societal ramifications of them.

Music Credits

Intro: Givin Me Eyes by Grace Mesa

Outro: Never Ending Soul Groove by Mattijs Muller

Transcript

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[Intro]

Nic  
Hello, and welcome to EPR with your favorite environmental enthusiast, Nic and Laura. On today's episode, Laura and I discussed writing your resume. We talked to Anthony Wilson about establishing early career success, equitable opportunities and finding competence. And finally, it is impossible to tickle yourself.

Laura
What?

Nic
Scientists. Yes, it's totally true. Scientists at the University College of London pinpointed the cerebellum as part of the brain that prevents us from doing this. Cerebellum is what allows us to distinguish between expected sensations and unexpected ones. So that's why you can't tickle yourself. There you go. Hit that music

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Laura 
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[Nic & Laura's Segment: Writing Resumes]

Nic 
You look at resumes and you look at a lot of resumes you start to see some patterns about good ones. And a lot of those are, first of all, making everything really legible, easy to read, easy to find, you know, it's like the stuff that I actually care about, like I'm gonna skip past that first part every single time because nobody puts anything interesting in there. I don't care what your objective is because it's always the same. I would love to have a position that doesn't mean that I'm fine. I honestly don't know why that's in resumes. It just to me waste waste space. I'm like, I'm not reading that. I barely care about your education. I do care, but it's not the first thing I'm going to look at. I want to know what you actually do. I want to know how you organized your skills. And that's what's important to me. So are you know, depending on what the job is, you have to look at those characteristics. Did you read my job description and put anything in your resume that matches that? Because that's what I'm looking for. And it's some people it's astonishing. Some people would just send the same resume for no matter what the application is. They're just like well, this is my resume. Like no, this is your resume for this job. So you better tailor it to that job. It's amazing. It's like a you know, like that. You won't see that.

Laura 
Yeah. But, and so I'm taking the improv class. Yes and you're validating everything I teach people and career coaching, because I try to tell people unless you're just Uber just out of school, no, write an objective, write a summary, because that's what that is supposed to do supposed to tell you, Nic, here's a summary of what you're about to read. And I always tell them that third line should be like three lines. You know, summary of who you are, how long you've worked, what you're bringing to the table, and then how you align with their mission. Three things right at the top. So that right there tells them I read your application. I'm talking about your mission. I looked at your website. Now keep reading. So that's how I tell people to write the resume.  Each section has to make the reader keep reading to the next section. And under that, I want to see your skills, bullet points. And then underneath that, I want to see how did you get those skills in your experience? And then I'm going to keep reading. The objective is really just for someone who hasn't got anything, and I still try to tell them your objective isn't about you. It's about how you help the mission of the company because getting a job and saying I want your company to pay me to learn to do what I want to do is not very effective.

Nic  
Yeah, then it's very self serving. And you're and you know, we work with a team of people and you are, your resume comes across as selfish. It's not a good not a good book. It really isn't. So yeah,

Laura  
it's you know, there's a lot of old school resume advice out there online telling people to write an objective and it's a new world the last couple of years, and it's not about you and your your career. It's about the company and what you bring to the table. And so it's just a little bit different.

Nic 
Yeah, I mean, you know, like they say, there's so many when you start looking at 100 resumes, so many of them look the same. And you know, people tell you to stand out and there's a balance between standing out and being like, Wow, what a great craft project you put together, which is too much right like there's just kind of like a level of like, I wish you'd spend more detail on the information and how it looks there's there is a balance there because if it looks really cool, like oh, wow, what a crazy looking resume and you think we'll ever irrelevant, right? And it doesn't matter how it looks. You know, there is something to be said for standing out. But there's also something just you really do need content because it may be maybe standing out will be like oh that's so funny. But like that says about about all to get you if there's nothing else in there.

Laura 
Yeah, you want to stand out by appearing organized, appearing helpful. Like you want your How am I as a person going to translate to how I am on the job. Which is organized? Spellchecker you know, grammatical like making sure that everything is formatted correctly. Having a great and unique design. Yeah, that might catch someone's eye for a minute, but I always tell people because they're always you know, some people will say, Well, I want to hide this fact or hide this and I'm like, There's no hiding anything. It will come out so you're better off explaining it and really justifying the things that you have. So pair any gaps anything's you have with your cover letter and own them. You know, the only thing you don't have an excuse for is if you've a big old gap where you really just did nothing.

Nic  
Yeah, yeah. And there's still maybe an excuse for that. You know, you still may have a reason for doing, you know, it's just, you know, people's lives and careers, you know, go through lots of different ups and downs and there always needs to be an explanation. You know, you're gonna get similar questions when you go through your interview process. You know, you're gonna tell us about difficult time and how you managed to get through that way. Do you learn from that experience, kind of stuff, you know, you're gonna get those kinds of questions. And you know, I I have those already. I could answer some of them right now, because it's just stuff that I know is a really good selling point. And I think one of the the greatest challenges of my, I guess, early career, right, I went to college and I can't remember if I've told this story. On the show. This is where we are. This is where we are on the show. I have no idea if I've told the story. But, you know, smart kid, straight A's didn't have to try in high school and got to college. And I was like, No, I don't want to want to go to class and that's a mistake. But I was still pretty much doing just fine. Missing classes here and there until I did vector geometry and that one got me because like, you just you know, you miss concepts in math, and then you know, you're gone. It's no good. And so I actually ended up getting an F in that class, I got an F and for me, it doesn't even make sense. Like I don't even know how it's possible for me to do that. But it was a really good lesson for me. It was really humbling. Like, you know, I can't just wing it. Like I've been doing like I really do have to try to at least show up in class. Like that's super important. But it also taught me like how little I cared about math. Like it's not the thing I wanted to do for my career. I did not want to be an engineer. So it really kind of did a few things. Right. I reorganized the way I did college, and I changed majors and so or didn't I picked major that was more in line with what I wanted to do and that so that's a really it was a really challenging time. It was an absolute failure. I mean, I really did it there is there is an F in there. You know what I mean? And like, that's exactly like my one of the things that really motivated me to be different. And I actually got busier and I realized I got a job. And that actually helped me because I've had so only so much time to do what I needed to do and that kind of focused in, oh, I've got to do this, you know, so my last two years in college, I was right back where I was. So it was a really good experience really humbling. But you need stories like that you have to have them. You and you need to know you have those already. People have a story. They know those things. They just don't think about.

Laura 
Right. And how did you explain that on your resume?

Nic  
Well, so it so came up like when you're doing like an entry level position they send you they ask for your transcripts. So you have to send transcripts around for a part of the resume thing. And it actually came up in and they didn't ask me this directly. They just asked me, you know, what was a challenging moment. And how did you get through that right, which you think oh, wow, I'm 20, I'm 25 for 24 I don't have challenging moments. No, you do. You just You just didn't think about it for a second. And I actually had that answer. I had thought about it and I was like this is the this is one of my easy ones. You know, I can do that. But it's That's exactly it. Obviously, there's other stories you can tell but, you know, you have those and they're in your back pocket even when you're 20,22. Doesn't matter, you know, and that's my story and like, everybody has challenges in life and some of them are epic, and some of them are you know, like oh, I failed a class, you know that there are worse things than doing that. But everybody has a story to tell. And there is always a way to make that story really presentable to people who are looking for really dedicated professionals.

Laura  
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, the last point before we get to our interview here, the resume is not for you to get the job. I just was having this conversation yesterday. The resume is for you to get an interview. Yes. So write the resume to get an interview and then network your butt off and all that other stuff to actually get the job.

Nic  
Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely right. I totally agree.

Laura 
All right, let's get that interview.

Nic
Sounds good.

[Interview with Anthony Wilson Starts]


Laura
Welcome back to EPR. Today we have Anthony Wilson. He's currently pursuing a PhD degree at Scripps Institute of Oceanography, and he's also a graduate research assistant there. Welcome, Anthony.

Anthony Wilson 
Thank you. Happy to be here.

Laura 
Awesome. So congrats on working on your PhD. That's really awesome. What's your PhD in?

Anthony Wilson 
Climate Science.

Laura  
Awesome. And how much longer do you have?

Anthony Wilson 
I have quite a bit of time. I just started out so I'll probably be here for next five to six years.

Laura
Okay,

Nic 
Wow, six years now.

Anthony Wilson
Yes.

Laura 
And then so did you go straight from high school to a PhD? I feel like, I'm looking at your LinkedIn and it's like, like, you knew that's what you're gonna do or something?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah. So it was actually kind of a little bit of a curvature path, kind of like a PhD is kind of funny.

Laura
PhD, So funny.

Nic
I love that.

Anthony Wilson
I was a, I was an undergrad. And for me, I didn't even really know what a PhD was. If I'm being honest. I know that we have professors and I knew that there was some track to get there but didn't know too much about grad school. So I think I was in my sophomore or my junior year, and I did this program called McNair, and essentially it's a post-bachelor program that tries to get more underrepresented groups into getting a higher education or advanced degree. And I guess ever since then, then I knew I was like, Okay, I want to get a PhD. And my end goal was to work in NOAA. Or work in DC, to work with policy makers, and from what I was hearing, everyone was getting a master's. So then I took the initiative and I was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna get my PhD. It's like I'll be ahead of the curve.

Laura 
That's awesome. So how does this work? You go from your Bachelor's to a PhD? Are you going back to get a masters later?

Anthony Wilson  
So it's kind of funny. So at Scripps, and a lot of institutions, you technically get your Masters, it's like a masters and a PhD. But it's not really talked about, so after my first year, I've taken so many classes out technically have my masters. So, yes.

[Early Career Success]

Laura  
Okay. Cool. And then how so, obviously, if you're gonna jump right into a PhD, you're pretty sure this is the direction you want to go. How did you discover early on like what you were into?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, I really kind of started when I was really young. I feel like for me, I knew that I want it to be in weather or the weather enterprise that started with an event, Hurricane Katrina, which you guys are probably pretty familiar with. I was probably around five or six when that happened. And when I saw Hurricane Katrina, I could kind of see how it impacted different people differently. In particular, I saw a lot of people that look like me, when it came to the risk policy analysis, and I saw a lot of the Katrina displacement happening in my schools and meeting these people and hearing their stories. So ever since then, I started watching the weather channel. And I started watching cartoons and I knew that I kind of wanted to be on this path. At first, I thought it was in broadcast meteorology, but that quickly changed. I wanted to widen my scope and really talk to policymakers because I I feel like people typically look like me aren't at the table. So that's why I kind of wanted to take this path.

Laura 
Awesome. So what are the things that triggered you wanting to change kind of broadening your impact? Take class, or meet a person?

Anthony Wilson  
Yeah, I really got into broadcasting and I don't know if you guys ever have experienced something where you seen something and you tried something and you really was like, this just isn't for me. I got in and I got onto our local student news channel and I was working in shadowing as a on air meteorologists. And I remember being on the green screen, and this was like a childhood hope of mine for so long. And then I was just like this doesn't feel natural to me, respectfully to the meteorologists that are on air, but I just felt that this was a little bit too small of a scope I wanted to do. I didn't feel like I was being authentic to myself. And so what I really began to find was research was something that I really enjoyed doing. About the same time when I was doing McNair. I got to another scholarship program called SOARs and this stands for to significant opportunity in atmospheric research. And it's basically to broaden the groups that are actually in abstract science. And so for me, I feel like that was kind of the changing point for me, because there was a point to where I didn't want to do science anymore. Because I said, okay, if I'm not into broadcasting then there's no space for me to be here. And so having this opportunity really kind of changed my career trajectory a lot.

Laura  
That's awesome. How did you learn about that opportunity?

Anthony Wilson 
I actually took someone this sort of myself, there is a point to where I, I said, Okay, so I'm not really enjoying this. But there's a lot more out here. So I literally just started emailing people. And I went to a conference and I guess that's where I got my wings to where I just started talking to people. And I ended up running into the source director and a bunch of other people who were involved with the program. And lo and behold, then I ended up getting applying in accepted which is really awesome.

Laura 
That is awesome. Anthony Wilson, a man of initiative.

Nic
Absolutely

Laura
I like it.

Nic
Me too.

Laura
I'm going to skip that other question Nic because he has answered already.

[Equitable Opportunities]

Nic 
Okay, good. So So, so you mentioned policy a couple of times and you want to be involved in policy. And so what about that do you want to focus on is there a specific area in particular where you want to see change?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, I'm really interested in how resource management is kind of imposed. I guess, for me, I decided to take a more applied and go in the science route, so that when I go into a room, I can have the science backing what I'm saying, because I can see and observe that our resources aren't being equally managed, but I don't have the science background to completely say that. So that is why I'm getting my PhD in the hopes that when I come into a room, and I can say that the impacts are not evenly distributed within our population, because I feel like as a society, the people who are left behind the most as a better reflection of our society than the people who have all the resources. So

Nic 
Yeah, you're exactly right. Yeah. And that's very well said and appreciate that. And so what you're doing at Scripps, then is really going to help in lots of different ways Was it hard to get in?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah. So for me, I guess I have a very unique path. And I would say like any advice I have is just reach out. I never really was scared to send an email or talk to someone despite how many papers they publish, how official they are. And I didn't know that that was a skill until I started talking to my other friends and they were just like, you're pretty crazy to reach out to anyone but that became my greatest strength, because I would just reach out to these professors, which also was backed from my experiences and McNair and source and I really just kind of just talked to them. And it kind of built that rapport kind of before grad school happened. And so when it came to applying, I actually didn't know about Scripps. And so really closer into the application period, someone at NOAA, which is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, they told me about this one professor here. So then that's when I decided to apply. And then I ended up somehow talking to my now advisor here through another student that I also reached out to and he had very great and good experiences. So I was like, Okay, I  want you to be my advisor because he has a report of like, really standing by equity and equality within this STEM field. So I had a unique story where I experienced a lot of racism and my undergrad. And my advisor really took to that which was really helpful and reassuring to know. And he helped me in some of my deficiencies because of my undergrad, which I feel like is a very unique experience. And I actually was accepted a lot earlier than other applicants, which I think was indicative of like how much they wanted me to feel that I belonged here and that I have a lot of potential.

Laura 
Obviously you do.

Nic 
Yeah, you know, that sense of belonging is something that I think that's one of the reasons we love doing the show. We want people to feel welcomed and belonged, and you don't want to answer the question about to ask so but if you don't want to that's totally fine. But when you say you didn't belong, you did experience racism. Are you okay sharing that with our audience so they can have an idea of what you had to go through to get where you are?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, I feel comfortable at this point. I feel like in my undergrad, I just experienced a very hyper competitive environment. And what comes with hyper competitive environment, especially when you're from a historically marginalized group. I feel like it's easy to outcast, those types of people. And so I felt at times that I was trying to become something and see something that I didn't see, which made it very difficult to me. And so, for me when I was reaching out that was kind of me saying that yes, I belong here. I might not feel that way or feel that I'm appreciated here in this space, but I'm wanting to seek out and find or I do belong. And so, through that I was like able to create changes at my institution through like what I experienced there, but also kind of reach back and mentor other students there and my program and abroad and that's what's been giving me strength to continue on and keep pushing.  So yeah.

Laura
That's awesome.

Nic  
I mean, Laura Anthony is pretty incredible right? That's such a great answer.

Laura
Why do you sounds so surprised?

Nic
Like that's a great answer. I'm just yeah, I'm blown away. So Well, I really appreciate you sharing that with us as I know it's not always easy, but you have a lot of things going on too. Like I want to hear about the research that you did the past summer at NOAA through the Pathways Program. Is that related to Scripps? Or is that something different?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, so it's a little bit different. So prior to getting admitted, while after getting admitted and starting my PhD, I did a Pathways internship at NOAA and Boulder but it was all remote due to COVID. And so it was really interesting. So there's this big campaign, and it's called Mosaic and it is a inter governmental, international group of scientists working with Arctic data. And it's a very timely event with how much the Arctic is changing right now. And it was really cool. I got to work with observational data and make it readily accessible to modelers, which is really cool. It was like opposite flip of the coin to what I'm doing here at Scripps because what I've learned is there's beef between modelers and observationalists. So it was really cool to kind of like know some of the where the data is coming from and like how it is process so it's more readily usable? And that was cool to actually learn about that in class. And say that I kind of got to work with the data. So

Nic 
Yeah, that's awesome. I already know about this, guys. That data you're working on that was like a marine heatwaves and how they impact the Arctic. Right? So there are some indicate implications of that for our society as a whole right? And those are going to increase over time. So how's that going to impact us?

Anthony Wilson 
 Yeah, yeah. So a lot of the research that I was doing was really looking at sea ice. And I found that really interesting, kind of the sea ice feedback. And that was kind of like the basis of what goes into climate modeling. And so if we have significant changes within our models, and our observations as well, then it's going to be harder to track over time. And that has huge ramifications on our weather and climate impacts down the road. So that is kind of what I'm kind of interested in really is kind of looking at how heat fluxes because in the Arctic, we don't technically have heat waves. heat fluxes from the mid latitudes impact our wildlife or fisheries. So there's a lot of fish species that actually depend on this feedback of freshwater melts that happens from sea ice, and there's a lot of communities that depend on these fisheries to even exist. So that is kind of what I'm really interested in to see how this changes within the next couple of decades.

Nic  
Yeah, so I think that means we need to have you back in a few years. Maybe sooner. You know, we love to hear stories about people's work experiences and some fun things that happen. You mentioned that you were in Boulder at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and they have shuttles that run around getting people to and from work. Now, you have a story about this though. What's the story there?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, so prior to COVID in my source internship, in my first year, I actually didn't know too much about the sort of service there. And so there's multiple different labs that atmosphere researchers go to. So there's the Mesa lab which is known as on a top of huge hill overlooking all of  Boulder is really, really beautiful. And then there's NOAA, and then there's Center Green. So these are two different. They're different laboratories within a different space. So within my first week of work, I tried biking, or I tried walking actually took the shuttle and over time, I got a little bit too hot. And so I decided to end up biking and it's really nice because you [26:10 unintelligible] and card they allow scientists to have like a discounted rate on bikes, but there was one day where I got on the shuttle, and I didn't look for what direction it was going. And and so I got on the shuttle, and I noticed that me being directionally aware and being a geographer, I was like, this is going in the opposite direction of the lab that I was supposed to go to. Um,  I got on to the shuttle and I got off and right before I could actually grab my bike off of the shuttle and when I was in the wrong place, the driver drove off with my bike so then I just kind of had to like leave it there because I had a meeting to go to. But I ended up having to call the director and be like, could you please get my bike I don't know how to contact the shuttle drive. So it was nice. I ended up getting my bike back. But it was a funny story of like, you need to check that direction of where the shuttle is going. So

Nic  
I think my favorite part of that though, is you being directionally aware and that is immediately knowing like oh, this is terrible. This is not going to be a good day.

Anthony Wilson  
Yeah, I knew I was going to be an hour late going into work because then you have to catch the shuttle all the way back. So yeah, my mentors are luckily very supportive.

[Finding Confidence]

Nic 
Yeah, which is good. Yeah, we all have we all have days like that. So yeah. Oh, gosh, I actually I got stuck in an elevator like two hours before my thesis. And terrifying, terrifying. Like, this is why I never take elevators. I took it that day, and I got stuck. I feel you. It's tough when stuff like that happens. But you've also also done a lot of volunteering. So what has been your favorite experience with that so far?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah. So I really enjoy like giving back. And so one thing that I mindfully tried to do is I tried to go back to like my old high school, because I feel like I just had such a unique path. And I guess because I've been through so much. I feel like someone to really emulate and understand if they don't feel like they feel included in this space. So I go to my high school, which is majority minority, and I really just speak to students and just kind of talk to them. About kind of like my career, like, what I kind of went through but also kind of like some of the issues and different things that you can experience coming up, you know, like imposter syndrome, not feeling like you have all the tools or skill sets that everyone else has. That's something that I really learned to kind of empower because I felt like throughout this entire experience, I had a lot of impostor syndrome, kind of like a lot of other people, but it's nice to know that you can see someone who's successful and doing really well and know that whatever you see now is not your end goal. So yeah,

Nic 
yeah,

Laura 
That's awesome. We talk about impostor syndrome a lot.

Nic 
Yeah. I was going to say, you must be listening to the show. That's great.

Anthony Wilson  
Yes. I love the podcast.

Laura 
Oh, thank you. Yeah, so I was kind of that was our next points was, you know, you've already talked about taking initiative. Just I love that you kind of didn't have an inhibition with asking people for conversations and not worrying about like status of people. I think that's something that a lot of us learn really young like, oh, you can't talk to them or you know, you're not allowed to contact them or whatever. So it's awesome that you didn't have that. What other things do you try to impart on them? I mean, just having a role model, did you have a role model? Like who gave you because I know one thing with fighting imposter syndrome is just getting someone to tell you you have permission to do a thing. So do you have some like role models who kind of helps you say I can do this, even if it's gonna be difficult?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, I feel like my mom actually gave me a lot of those like original skills. Yeah, I feel like the biggest thing that my mom told me was to always hold your head up high and never looked down. And I really kind of spoke to that or I feel like she was very courageous in her life and giving back and leaving the legacy back. And that's something that I want to do and give back and help other people. So.

Laura 
That's awesome. Love that. Was there any other advice that you give to you or so let's say we have a high school student listening, what would you tell them about and one thing that specifically comes up is how do I know which direction to go in so like, what kind of advice do you have for young people and just choosing a path?

Anthony Wilson  
Yeah, I will just say, be open. There might be an opportunity or something. Or you think that that's the only direction you can go but always ask for a second opinion. I learned because what someone's path is, can be completely different to what your path is going to be. My path was very unique. I've been all over the country. And I thought that I knew what I wanted to do. And it turns out that I kind of fell in love with something that brought me a lot more happiness. So I guess my advice would be, one to never be afraid to ask if you like need help, and you're trying to decipher where to go. People are very helpful. So I feel like that is one good parting advice, but also to never questioned yourself and your confidence and that's something that I'm also still learning and building, come into a room and be able to say like, this is what I want to do, and people will support you along the way.

Nic 
So yeah, that's a great message. It really is. And like, we've seen this time and time again, everybody like you know, like you said, you have the status of people, but they're just people, they're people. And, you know, a lot of times I found people who are in those higher statuses love to talk to people, especially younger people about how they got to where they are. And you know, that's it's a really great.

Laura 
 That's really what we're trying to do with the podcast is break down. Why we talked to important people about their hobbies and what they do when they're not working, you know?

Nic  
Yeah, exactly. So we are we're almost out of time and you've been incredible.

Laura
That went so fast.

Nic
It really did.  that it really it's been such good interview. But we always ask the question, like, what did we miss, that you'd like to discuss before we go?

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, I guess I'll just like end out and just say to anyone like listening like if you're battling or dealing with impostor syndrome, like you belong here, you're at the table, whatever table you're at, and know that whatever you see is where you're going to end up because there's a lot in store

Nic 
It's so good. I almost cursed I'm not. Heck yeah. It's so awesome. Well before we let you go tell the people where they can reach out to you.

Anthony Wilson 
Yeah, so I'm on Twitter. So you can follow me @trackAnthony. Or you can email me at A4wilson@ucsd.edu

Nic  
Perfect Thanks, Anthony.

Laura
This was great. Thanks so much.

[Outro]

Nic
And that's our show. Thank you so much, Anthony for joining us today. We had a great time with you. Really wishing you lots of success in your career as it moves forward. And for everyone else, please be sure to check us out each and every Friday. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review. See you everybody.

Laura
Bye

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